Talk:Chiang Kai-shek

Should we change the name of this article to Chiang Chung-cheng?

I think we should change the name of this article to Chiang Chung-cheng. In the Chinese Wikipedia page on the subject of this article, he is referred to as “蔣中正”, which is “Chiang Chung-cheng, rather than “蔣介石”, which is “Chiang Kai-shek”. Also, Chiang Chung-cheng was the preferred name of the subject of this article, while “Chiang Kai-shek” was the Cantonese transcription of his pen name. Also, many monuments dedicated to him in the Sinophone world uses “Chiang Chung-cheng” or “Chung-cheng” rather than “Chiang Kai-shek” or “Kai-shek”. For example, “中正紀念堂”, translates to “Chung-cheng Memorial Hall”. Hankow idk (talk) 16:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

On Chiang and "hybrid vigor"

Okay, so this article currently has the claim under "Rule" —> "Second Sino-Japanese War" which reads "In 1945, Chiang adopted a eugenic population policy that was intended to promote hybrid vigor by encouraging intermarriage between whites and Chinese to combine European fair skin with superior Chinese intelligence. Although adopted, the policy was never successfully implemented." The source for this claim is a book with a citation to another book (https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674034600) which contains a citation to yet another book (https://www.amazon.com/Struggle-National-Survival-Sino-Japanese-1896-1945/dp/113898311X) which talks about speculative policies proposed by various Chinese eugenicists but nowhere does it ever state that intermarriage with whites specifically was made a special case on the basis of eugenic grounds as national policy by the Kuomintang. To the contrary, according to the contents of this book, it would appear that the promotion of intermixing was applied to basically all minority groups within China in order to sinicize them for the sake of promoting national unity through genetic assimilation. The "white" part were mostly fringe proposals that got shot down. Now, I was able to find the actual guy who was the most enthusiastic supporter of the "white-Asian hybrid vigor" proposal who was also mentioned in the final book to which is cited by the second book which is cited by the first book that is cited as the reference for this claim in the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kang_Youwei

There are many problems here:

1. He was a monarchist, not a Kuomintang member.

2. He opposed Republicanism and the nationalist revolution.

3. This isn't really "hybrid vigor" in the way the term is typically used, he more or less just seemed to think whites were the most aesthetically pleasing race and wanted the whole world to be white, so it's more akin to genetic subsumption.

This one claim that surrounding a policy of sinicization which had nothing to do with whites exclusively feels incredibly misleading, especially when it implicitly attributes it to Chiang, and the guy who actually wanted this in the way the article described it wasn't even part of the KMT and had nothing to do with their policymaking. The only remote similarities here are tolerance for intermarriage but for completely different reasons and end goals. Please delete this claim from the article or revise it accordingly. 149.125.189.26 (talk) 05:25, 16 April 2025 (UTC)