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January 1
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RD: Arnold Rüütel
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Nominated by 2A00:807:C7:C82A:2859:B355:BAAD:86AD (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: 3rd President of Estonia from 2001–2006. 2A00:807:C7:C82A:2859:B355:BAAD:86AD (talk) 04:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Angelo Amato
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
- Created by LCahill (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Italian cardinal who died yesterday. History6042😊 (Contact me) 04:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Almost there One CN tag. But it's an entire list of his publications. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Added ISBNs Grimes2 (talk) 04:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Johnnie Walker
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
- Created by R. fiend (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Cameron Scott (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: English disc jockey. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 16:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support He seems to be quite popular as a DJ, including winning many awards. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: currently 18 {cn} tags. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready per Martinevans123. Referencing is not up to scratch. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) 2024 United States Treasury Hack
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: The Chinese Communist Party hacks into the United States Treasury, stealing valuable data (Post)
Alternative blurb: The United States Department of the Treasury states that it was hacked by a Chinese intelligence agency.
News source(s): (Reuters)
Credits:
- Nominated by SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk · give credit)
- Oppose First, that blurb is extremely misleading on two angles: Chinese hackers are suspected, but there's not yet any connection to the CCP. Second, the data took was "unclassified documents", which means it is unlikely to be "valuable" data from the Treasure department. As such, this is nowhere close to a major scandle, they just had to report it after reporting it to Congress. At this point, its not a significant incident. --Masem (t) 01:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Masem To your first point, yes that is true, a "suspicion" but 99% likely CCP hackers. Secondly, unclassified does not mean publicly available data, there are unclassified documents in the military, but that does not mean you can go around looking at it. Also the extent of the hack is still unreported. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 01:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Nonetheless I will still leave it up to garner a community census. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 01:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Which is why at this point, how significant this is is unknown, particularly compared to the phone network hacks earlier this previous month. As this happened earlier this month and only being reported on now, we should wait until we see if there's a serious diplomatic issue that develops. Masem (t) 01:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Oh no, my data! Seriously though, per above this isn't a major or important development yet. Much larger cyberattacks have happened since, such as National Public Data where actual valuable information was confirmed to be leaked, and that wasn't posted because we couldn't muster enough editors to get that up to quality. Tell me, what was stolen exactly? I'll reconsider if this gets more coverage. I'd give weak support on quality here. Departure– (talk) 04:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Departure– you know the Treasury will not leak what was stolen, but it was likely the programs that monitor and communicate with funding. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the blurb, it is laughably breaking many WPian notions. Nothing to say on posting another blurb. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 08:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Please do not WP:BITE. Gotitbro (talk) 09:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't mean it in a devious way, but that in the process of forming a blurb, it produced something which is a bit humorous, as well as not fit few Wiki guidelines. I hope SimpleSubCubicGraph didn't get it the wrong way. It is a good faith nom anyway. --ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 11:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- @ExclusiveEditor I'm sorry, I won't make a new post anymore if thats what you want SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- @SimpleSubCubicGraph You got me, I meant you to not post anything ever again, stop editing and take a pretty much sanyasa from this wiki world of illusions.[FBDB] --ExclusiveEditor(talk) 18:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- @ExclusiveEditor I can not tell if that is humor or not, and yes I am being serious. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 22:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- @SimpleSubCubicGraph You got me, I meant you to not post anything ever again, stop editing and take a pretty much sanyasa from this wiki world of illusions.[FBDB] --ExclusiveEditor(talk) 18:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Please do not WP:BITE. Gotitbro (talk) 09:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Just the latest in Chinese intelligence activity abroad (Chinese espionage in the United States, Chinese espionage in California) and Chinese information operations and information warfare. 2024 United States telecommunications hack was another one of these along with the Chinese interference in the 2024 United States elections; this isn't as unique of a story as it would initially seem. If things escalate we can re-consider. Gotitbro (talk) 09:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 12:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Insignificant Setarip (talk) 16:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. -- KTC (talk) 23:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose and WP:WHACK! User:SimpleSubCubicGraph for a horrid nomination. Nfitz (talk) 23:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per everybody. --SpectralIon (talk) 23:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per further thought. After rethinking about the grand scope of the article, I have changed my opinion on the matter and no longer think it is newsworthy enough to end up on the front page. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 5:04:55, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
December 30
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RD: Jamshid bin Abdullah
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Atheer.om
Credits:
- Nominated by Mr. Lechkar (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Last sultan of Zanzibar, claimant to the defunct throne since the monarchy was overthrown in 1964. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 10:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good, though it's also pretty short. Yo.dazo (talk) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- There's nothing on his early life and I conclude that it’s not fit for posting in its current state. Schwede66 16:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose He is insignificant. Although he may be the heir, that is about the peak of his fame. Zanzibar is apart of Tanzania now and even then was a state that nobody cared about, both strategically and relevance. This would not be good for In the news but rather Did you know and even then, its very hard if that should appear on that page. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 01:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- FYI, for RD we normally only oppose due to the quality of the article. If it has an article, the subject is notable enough to appear in RD. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Per Schwede66. Article needs a lot more info such as about early life, which could be expanded a bit. Plus, there's some cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Linda Lavin
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (ABC)
Credits:
- Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: great loss actress and she deserves
- Comment: Article looks fine except the whole filmography is unsourced. RachelTensions (talk) 01:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Ethiopian Truck Crash
[edit]Blurb: Ethiopian truck crash kills 71 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: 71 people die in an Ethiopian truck crash
Alternative blurb II: A truck falls off a bridge over the Ganale Doria River in Bona Zuria, Sidama Region, Ethiopia, killing 71 people and injuring 4 others.
News source(s): [3]
Credits:
- Nominated by Alexgmail2000 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Article is a stub. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:14, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- It is no longer a stub, I believe. Ca talk to me! 14:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- I still believe it is a stub / article needs expansion. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Someone with local sources to help us? ArionStar (talk) 17:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- I still believe it is a stub / article needs expansion. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- It is no longer a stub, I believe. Ca talk to me! 14:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is decent and significant as the Minas Gerais road crash. The year 2024 is ending very badly. ArionStar (talk) 12:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Is "disaster" the right word for the article name? the sources seem to leave it as "accident" even with a toll that high? --Masem (t) 13:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Like Madan Ashrit Highway disaster and Westdene dam disaster. ArionStar (talk) 13:17, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- The move from truck crash to this new title was not discussed and should be reverted. "Try to avoid the words disaster, tragedy and crisis because this characterization is too subjective. It is preferable to use specific event names, such as collision, collapse, explosion, outbreak, pandemic, sinking, oil spill, and the like."
- Also Oppose on quality and sourcing.
- Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 16:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- I moved the article. Ca talk to me! 16:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support The article significant because of many sources reported it numerous times. AsteriodX (talk) 15:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notabilty, Wait on quality, hopefully the article will improve eventually. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 17:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support What is it with disasters this week? Setarip (talk) 17:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Setarip what is with the entire year, so many incidents happening. its crazy, espically the latter half SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oh and Support SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Setarip what is with the entire year, so many incidents happening. its crazy, espically the latter half SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on article quality WP:STUB QalasQalas (talk) 20:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for article quality then support altblurb2 without picture as the current image is too low quality. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 22:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose bus plunge This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- "Truck" plunge. ArionStar (talk) 00:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- This is actually a very good point about how news media, now with 24/7 operations, needs news to cover, and why as an encyclopedia we should be wary of giving attention to every single accident that gets reported. — Masem (t) 01:06, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until article quality improves, then Support Altblurb 2 due to the high number of casualties. P.S. is going into edit source the correct way to reply to an ITN nom? This is my first time and I couldn't find info about it. --SpectralIon (talk) 00:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability once the article is no longer a stub. high number of casualties, significant coverage. FlipandFlopped ツ 01:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Article is a stub and we don’t post those. Schwede66 16:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Little encyclopedic value to our readers. Tradediatalk 23:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm trying to do something but no updates yet. ArionStar (talk) 00:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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2024 Chadian parliamentary election
[edit]Blurb: Chad holds its legislative elections that have been delayed several times since 2011. (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:
- Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
- Wait until official results are in. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 01:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb Jimmy Carter
[edit]Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Former American president and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Jimmy Carter dies at the age of 100 (Post)
Alternative blurb: Former United States president and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Jimmy Carter dies at the age of 100.
Alternative blurb II: Former president of the United States and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Jimmy Carter dies at the age of 100.
Alternative blurb III: Nobel Peace laureate and former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, behind the campaign to eradicate dracunculiasis, dies at 100.
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Nableezy (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Definite Support No questions about it, as a former president and humanitarian that recently passed away. He a left lasting legacy and impact on the world. -- Rager7 (talk)
- Support blurb - obviously. No quality concerns as its a GA. --estar8806 (talk) ★ 21:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb The death of a former US President is notable, and the story is being reported by basically every source. Gust Justice (talk) 21:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support blurb - A bit more of an update is needed, and a few floating "is" etc are still about, but obviously this should be a blurb. Departure– (talk) 21:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- These seem to have been fixed. Mooonswimmer 21:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support - Death of a former president. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 21:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support blurb Oldest former U.S. president ever and it's a GA. - Sebbog13 (talk) 21:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support blurb Oldest former U.S. president ever and it's a GA. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 21:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Support blurb - I've been vocal about the US-bias of many nominations here. But this is a no-brainer. Nfitz (talk) 21:24, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support blurb This should be an uncontroversial one. No quality concerns. May he rest in peace. Vanilla Wizard 💙 21:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb no brainer, article is in good shape Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 21:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb, Normally against US-bias but I think this is a fairly straightforward yes to a blurb here. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 21:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support blurb with picture - extraordinarily influential figure, especially given his prolonged and impactful post-presidential career. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support blurb Article is updated and a GA. Mooonswimmer 21:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted blurb charlotte 👸🎄 21:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Is it a caching error? I don't see it. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 21:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- It should be there now. I couldn't see it earlier either. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Is it a caching error? I don't see it. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 21:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb per above. Grimes2 (talk) 21:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support blurb/picture blurb GA article of a significant U.S. president. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 21:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Added altblurb2 -- AFAICT we usually say "president of X" not "X president", e.g. right now with Manmohan Singh. Giraffer (talk) 21:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the correction! 31.44.227.152 (talk) 21:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support I think it's pretty evident; rest well. Nishi (talk 21:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support blurb with picture, but suggest the following expansion to honor what he described as his most important legacy:
– Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 21:43, 29 December 2024 (UTC)Nobel Peace laureate and former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, behind the campaign to eradicate dracunculiasis, dies at 100.
- Weak oppose only the part mentioning dracunculiasis, since it's only briefly mentioned once in the target article. Support everything else. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm adding more; it's probably his most important work in terms of overall impact, but nobody's heard of it. Carter, along with Viktor Zhdanov, is probably one of two human beings who can claim credit for eradicating a major disease. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 21:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- (BTW this isn't me saying this, it's Carter—seeing them dead was his last wish.) – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 01:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose only the part mentioning dracunculiasis, since it's only briefly mentioned once in the target article. Support everything else. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting - charlotte, would you be willing to also add "Nobel laureate" to the blurb, as suggested by the blurbs listed? Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think him being a Nobel laureate is significant enough (relative to him being president) to include in the blurb, but happy to add it/have it added if consensus here/one of the ITN admins think it should be there. charlotte 👸🎄 22:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- That was the blurb supported by everybody? nableezy - 22:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think him being a Nobel laureate is significant enough (relative to him being president) to include in the blurb, but happy to add it/have it added if consensus here/one of the ITN admins think it should be there. charlotte 👸🎄 22:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality (but its been posted so too late for this) - the article does not provide a reason why he was a great or major figure - even though I know this should be the case. The Legacy section addresses his mediocere presidency but does not touch on his post-presidency efforts which is where this factor is coming from. I know this can be made, either from existing sources or from the obits coming out, but this should really be in place, a crystal clear section for reader to review of why a person was posted as a blurb on death, rather than all the hand-waving that is going on. Also, we should not be assuming that every former world leader should be blurbed. Masem (t) 21:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Your wishes are demanding. Support addition of Nobel Prize laureate, only presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Barack Obama, Al Gore (Vice) are recipients. Grimes2 (talk) 22:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- The final paragraph of the lede & the lengthy Post-presidency (1981–2024) section do a fine enough job articulating his post-presidency efforts that opposing posting altogether is a bit much. That said, there is a lot of information in Post-presidency of Jimmy Carter which could be used to further expand the section on his main biographical page. Vanilla Wizard 💙 22:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- The statement in the lede "but his post-presidency period (the longest in U.S. history) has received near-universal praise, including a Nobel Peace Prize in 2002." is not directly supported by sources in the bio article, though I'm sure the post-presidency article has that. This is a quality issue that should have been addressed before posting; I'm not doubting this, but absence of this type of information with sources on the main bio page is a problem even if that seems apparently obvious. Masem (t) 04:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support RIP. Davey2116 (talk) 22:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support for it being posted. Storied career, amazing, that he had such long marriage. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support, at least he made it to 100. Sahaib (talk) 23:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Can Nobel laureate be added to the blurb as the nomination that all the support votes at the time of posting were referencing? Carters post-presidency is widely regarded as a defining trait of his life. nableezy - 03:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support addition of Nobel laureate, as this is prominently noted, often in the headlines, for major media sources covering this death. BD2412 T 03:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support: Rest in peace to an incredible man, while not the most spectacular during his presidency, he definitely shaped a shining legacy after leaving office. Carter will continue to live on as one of the most memorable presidents the United States has ever had. Tofusaurus (talk) 03:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support Article is in good shape, has been updated to the bone and Carter is an example of what warrants a death blurb. Remarkable legacy, treated harshly by history. Rest well, to a great humanitarian and humble being. Support adding Nobel to blurb I mean, he's also a nobel winner and most obits are including his laureate status to their headlines as well. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Added Nobel laureate. charlotte 👸🎄 08:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Queen of Hearts: please could you revert this. You were correct in your comment above. There is a standard format for death blurbs, particularly of former leaders, and we don't usually "editorialise" in ITN blurbs. Him being the preskdent is the reason he's blurbed rather than his Nobel prize, and it should simply state that, in the same way as the former Indian PM further down. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 08:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- That isn’t editorializing and since when did we substitute an admins judgment over consensus for a blurb? nableezy - 09:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's totally editorializing. Inserting fluff about Carter winning a Nobel prize that isn't really relevant to the story of his death. To maintain NPOV and avoid bias at ITN, we stick to a standard blurb format for all politician deaths rather than going with bespoke wording for individuals that people happen to like, based on whatever random WP:LOCALCONSENSUS forms. Henry Kissinger also won a Nobel prize, but our blurb on him made no mention of that, so why the difference here? Admins are precisely supposed to use their judgment in these matters, as indeed charlotte did above, that's always been part of the remit. — Amakuru (talk) 10:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- I have to agree with Amakuru, no need to add extra honours when its the office that he held that the vast majority of the world know him for. We didn't list Singh with his Indian of the Year or his Adam Smith awards so why do we need to further decorate Carter when President is prestigious enough. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 11:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Removed the Nobel. Stephen 12:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair, the Adam Smith Prize or the Indian of the Year honor is not even close to the Nobel Prize. When Kofi Annan died, we listed his Nobel honor into the blurb. Same with Shimon Peres. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- That isn’t fluff, and there isn’t any overriding consensus that you can point to to claim that this is a local one that can be ignored. This is one of his main legacies, his work for habitat for humanity and the Carter center are absolutely as notable as his presidency. It is not fluff, it is not editorializing, and that part of the main page is not the fiefdom of a few admins here. This should be restored and this discussions consensus respected. nableezy - 12:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Even if
his work for habitat for humanity and the Carter center are absolutely as notable as his presidency
, a questionable premise, he would be notable for that and not for being a Nobel prize laureate. Look at the first sentence of his article as it's always been: Only mentions president (and later humanitarian), no mention of Nobel laureate. The article itself indicates that being a laureate wasn't notable at all in comparison to what he's actually primarily known for, which is a president of the United States. Therefore (imo), saying that he's a Nobel prize laureate in ITN would indeed fall under UNDUE editorializing fluff. spintheer (talk) 02:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)Only mentions president (and later humanitarian)
So... it mentions the work that earned him the Nobel Prize. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 02:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)- He's notable for his work as a president and a humanitarian, not for being a Nobel laureate or the receiver or any other prizes (or otherwise) that resulted from his work as a president and a humanitarian. If you want to push for adding in the blurb that he was a humanitarian, be my guest. spintheer (talk) 02:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Its almost as if your point hadn’t been proven false before your first response here nableezy - 03:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- My point is that if the article indicates that Carter's notable for first being a president, and second being a humanitarian, ITN should reflect that and not go off on its own bizarre mini RFCs to establish local consensus about Carter's notability outside of the article's talk page. If you want to establish that Carter was as notable for being a Nobel lauereate as he was for being the president of the United States or a humanitarian, then first get that changed in the first sentence of the article and then come back here and have the blurb reflect this change. spintheer (talk) 04:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Even if
- I have to agree with Amakuru, no need to add extra honours when its the office that he held that the vast majority of the world know him for. We didn't list Singh with his Indian of the Year or his Adam Smith awards so why do we need to further decorate Carter when President is prestigious enough. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 11:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's totally editorializing. Inserting fluff about Carter winning a Nobel prize that isn't really relevant to the story of his death. To maintain NPOV and avoid bias at ITN, we stick to a standard blurb format for all politician deaths rather than going with bespoke wording for individuals that people happen to like, based on whatever random WP:LOCALCONSENSUS forms. Henry Kissinger also won a Nobel prize, but our blurb on him made no mention of that, so why the difference here? Admins are precisely supposed to use their judgment in these matters, as indeed charlotte did above, that's always been part of the remit. — Amakuru (talk) 10:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Every death blurb (for death by old age or other natural causes) leaves it as the principle profession that the person had, and avoids editorization. Definitely should not be adding "Nobel winner" here. — Masem (t) 13:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- And just to add, keeping the death blurb to just the profession prevents further bickering around the whole death blurb nomination aspect already. The inclusion of profession and profession only is a nice neutral way to present the blurb without trying to fight consensus on what other apsects to include. If the article is of good quality, other key factors (like Carter's humanitarism) should be identified within the lede. — Masem (t) 13:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- That isn’t true as demonstrated by the examples cited already. Whatever, this place doesn’t exactly abide by our rules anyway, what’s one more example? nableezy - 13:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, media reporting on the death widely reference the Nobel Prize in what would be the equivalent of our blurb. See:
- Reuters: "Jimmy Carter, former US president and Nobel Peace Prize recipient, dead at 100"
- ABC News leads with "Jimmy Carter, the former U.S. president known as a champion of international human rights both during and after his White House tenure and who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002 for his lifetime of dedication to that cause, has died at 100";
- The Washington Post leads with "Jimmy Carter, a no-frills Southern governor with a mile-wide smile who was elected president in 1976 and served only one term before leading an extraordinary post-presidential life that included the Nobel Peace Prize, died Sunday at his home in Plains, Georgia...";
- BBC News reports, "after leaving the White House with low approval ratings, his reputation was restored through humanitarian work which earned him the Nobel Peace Prize";
- The Guardian reports that "Carter spent the decades afterward focused on international relations and human rights, efforts that won him the Nobel peace prize in 2002";
- The Associated Press blurb on the subject says "Former President Jimmy Carter, a Nobel Peace Prize winner and the longest-living chief executive in U.S. history, has died".
- This is not fluff, this is the key fact. BD2412 T 17:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- That isn’t editorializing and since when did we substitute an admins judgment over consensus for a blurb? nableezy - 09:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Queen of Hearts: please could you revert this. You were correct in your comment above. There is a standard format for death blurbs, particularly of former leaders, and we don't usually "editorialise" in ITN blurbs. Him being the preskdent is the reason he's blurbed rather than his Nobel prize, and it should simply state that, in the same way as the former Indian PM further down. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 08:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Post posting support blurb No brainer support for death of former head of state/government. News across the world, article is in fantastic shape. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 13:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support inclusion of Nobel Prize and agree with other supporters above, his article quotes Polls of historians and political scientists generally rank Carter as a below-average president. Scholars and the public more favorably view his post-presidency, and winning a noble prize precisely shows this with other things. It may seem editorializing to few, but many disagree. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 17:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This was closed, who reopened it? Can someone re-close it? Further blurb deliberation should be at WP:ERRORS. Departure– (talk) 17:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- This is an editorial decision, not a content error.—Bagumba (talk) 19:08, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Significant blurb changes are at ITNC. Errors are used only for small corrections. — Masem (t) 19:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support including something about the humanitarian post-presidency career (e.g. the Nobel), which is the thing Carter is known for. It would make more sense to cut out the presidency TBH. (Though I wouldn't do that either). – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 19:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: all blurbs in this widely-supported nomination mention the Nobel Peace Prize, showing a very clear consensus for its inclusion. So why are we unilaterally not including it? RachelTensions (talk) 21:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Adding my support for including "Nobel Peace Prize laureate" in the blurb; his post-presidency was arguably as transformative as his time as president, and has received comparable RS coverage in the obits. Given that all the proposed blurbs included the Nobel, I did not feel the need to state this in my !vote above. Davey2116 (talk) 22:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose mention of Nobel Prize per Amakuru as it is editorializing the blurb to choose to add that secondary piece of info, which wasn’t included in Henry Kissinger’s blurb. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 05:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Restored Nobel to the blurb. It's been in the blurb candiates from the beginning, and there is consensus since the post for its inclusion. As mentioned above with Annan and Peres previously, it's not unprecedented. In other fields, I also see some recent examples beyond a simple listing of their occupation.[5][6] This is not required, and there are merits to avoiding squabbles with a more vanilla blurb. But there's no current rule at WP:ITN barring it, and the community can apply WP:WEIGHT, where needed, as was done here. This is consistent with the WP:YESPOV policy:
—Bagumba (talk) 05:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)As such, the neutral point of view does not mean the exclusion of certain points of view; rather, it means including all verifiable points of view which have sufficient due weight.
- The community establishes WP:WEIGHT in the article's talk page, not in ITN. The article indicates that Carter is first and foremost notable for being a president and secondarily as a humanitarian, not for being a Nobel laureate. If ITN doesn't directly reflect that's written in the corresponding article, this sets a ridiculous precedent where anything can be written in ITN blurbs so long as there is local consensus for it here (if tomorrow we'll have a blurb that Carter has come back to life while the article's obviously unchanged, and enough people vote for that blurb, would that also be posted?) ITN discussions have significantly less editorial rigor and oversight than an actual article talk page, and shouldn't be the place to make substantive arguments about content, especially ones that very clearly would not, and have not, passed in the article's talk page itself (e.g. in this case that Carter's Nobel prize is anywhere near as notable as his occupation as a president). spintheer (talk) 06:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
this sets a ridiculous precedent
: I had written, "This is not required". This blurb, in itself, does not set a precedent, any more than Annon or Peres did. The community is free to update WP:ITNBLURB to provide more guidance to posters on blurbs w.r.t. article leads, if there is consensus. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 07:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)- He was a noted humanitarian, not a Nobel prize winner. And which Nobel anyways? Explains nothing about what the prize was for. Stephen 09:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- The blurb says Nobel Peace. Nobody had proposed humanitarian in the blurb, but feel free to gain consensus whether it makes more sense to be generic. —Bagumba (talk) 09:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- He was a noted humanitarian, not a Nobel prize winner. And which Nobel anyways? Explains nothing about what the prize was for. Stephen 09:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- The community establishes WP:WEIGHT in the article's talk page, not in ITN. The article indicates that Carter is first and foremost notable for being a president and secondarily as a humanitarian, not for being a Nobel laureate. If ITN doesn't directly reflect that's written in the corresponding article, this sets a ridiculous precedent where anything can be written in ITN blurbs so long as there is local consensus for it here (if tomorrow we'll have a blurb that Carter has come back to life while the article's obviously unchanged, and enough people vote for that blurb, would that also be posted?) ITN discussions have significantly less editorial rigor and oversight than an actual article talk page, and shouldn't be the place to make substantive arguments about content, especially ones that very clearly would not, and have not, passed in the article's talk page itself (e.g. in this case that Carter's Nobel prize is anywhere near as notable as his occupation as a president). spintheer (talk) 06:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support for inclusion of some mention of his post-presidency humanitarian efforts, whether that means mentioning the Nobel Peace Prize or some other language. (I already !voted so this second !vote is only on the language and not the notability or quality.) It isn't a double standard that we didn't mention this for Kissinger. It was simply less relevant for Kissinger and more relevant for Carter. The post-presidency work Carter did to earn that Nobel was arguably more transformative than anything he did in his role as president, so mentioning it separately from his presidency makes sense. The same can't be said of Kissinger. I'd still be fine with replacing the word Nobel Laureate with the word humanitarian since some editors take issue with the decoration, but I'm also fine with just leaving it how it is right now and keeping the Nobel Laureate phrasing. Just as long as the phrasing acknowledges that this is a unique case where him being the president was perhaps not even the most important thing he did with his life. This isn't setting a dangerous precedent or slippery slope, he legitimately may be the only president in US history and one of few leaders worldwide who left the highest office in the land and then went on to do bigger and better things after that. Vanilla Wizard 💙 14:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
simply less relevant for Kissinger
is an opinion and the double standard here. Both individuals won a Nobel prize, and the articles of both individuals indicate that neither are notable for receiving that Nobel prize. The only discernible difference is personal opinion in ITN. spintheer (talk) 15:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)- It would be a double standard if my position was that the Nobel Prize is itself inherently blurbworthy, but that isn't my view. It's worth mentioning separately for Carter because the reason why he received the award was for noteworthy contributions separate from his presidency. Kissinger's award was for his official duties as the Secretary of State, not for something separate. It's not about liking Carter more than Kissinger. For transparency I also won't deny that myself and likely many others do hold Carter in higher regard than Kissinger, but this isn't relevant to the discussion or the reasoning. It's simply about communicating that Carter's post-presidency is at least half of the reason why he's blurbworthy, even to those who are against blurbing just any former US president. With Kissinger, his time as Secretary of State was the sole reason. As I said before, I'm fine with replacing the award with the word humanitarian if it looks too decorative. I just don't take issue with the current wording. Vanilla Wizard 💙 16:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, then say humanitarian, not nobel laureate. Ok, it looks like this isn't going to change, but this is an error that'll come back to bite us the next time somebody decides to editorialize some other news event. spintheer (talk) 16:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- It would be a double standard if my position was that the Nobel Prize is itself inherently blurbworthy, but that isn't my view. It's worth mentioning separately for Carter because the reason why he received the award was for noteworthy contributions separate from his presidency. Kissinger's award was for his official duties as the Secretary of State, not for something separate. It's not about liking Carter more than Kissinger. For transparency I also won't deny that myself and likely many others do hold Carter in higher regard than Kissinger, but this isn't relevant to the discussion or the reasoning. It's simply about communicating that Carter's post-presidency is at least half of the reason why he's blurbworthy, even to those who are against blurbing just any former US president. With Kissinger, his time as Secretary of State was the sole reason. As I said before, I'm fine with replacing the award with the word humanitarian if it looks too decorative. I just don't take issue with the current wording. Vanilla Wizard 💙 16:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Remove Ongoing: 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon
[edit]Nominator's comments: The Ongoing section would benefit from some shortening, and this item seems like the best candidate for removal. The Israeli incursion in Lebanon is not in the news anymore (and the last event mentioned in the article dates back to 17 Dec). This is in contrast to the war in Gaza, or Israel's actions in Yemen, which are much more prominently covered in global news. Khuft (talk) 19:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support removing—looks like the most sensible thing to trim. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 23:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong oppose the only reason nothing is happening is because the 2024 Israel–Lebanon ceasefire agreement is in place. However than will end soon as it is only a 60 day ceasefire. 22:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC) History6042😊 (Contact me) 22:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- If it ends and the war restarts, we post again PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Im wondering if maybe we need to do a () next to Israel-Hamas war with all of the other Middle East battles that are also involving Israel, like Lebanon, Yemen, Syria, so on. TheCorriynial (talk) 20:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- There was a recent suggestion to include the entire listing of conflicts in the Middle East, but the problem is that they are not all directly related. While we can point to the Israel-Lebonon conflict as directly related to the Israel-Hamas one, events in Yemen or Syria are absolutely not part of that. That makes it all synthesis to combine them all. --Masem (t) 21:02, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support removing, no updates recently. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support removing This is no longer hot, as indicated by lack of recent updates. There are low intensity incidents happening and might continue for months, but does not justify "Ongoing". Tradediatalk 02:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong oppose not only has Israel violated the ceasefire almost every single day its been in force, but there is no signs that they are going to continue the ceasefire after its 60 days. Scuba 15:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Ongoing is not about if the event is still going on, but if the target article or an appropriate subarticle has been receiving updates, which has not been happening here. — Masem (t) 15:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support removal Lack of recent updates; per nom. If hostilities resume after the ceasefire, this can be re-nominated for addition at that time. SpencerT•C 06:05, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Houston Tornado Outbreak
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Tornado outbreak in the Houston Area killing 2 people and injuring many others (Post)
Alternative blurb: 2 people dead after tornado outbreak in the Houston area
Support but with a completely reworded blurb. Three or more are dead, so the blurb is innacurate. How about "At least three people are killed during a widespread tornado outbreak across the Southern United States." I oppose adding an image as of now.
- Meh. oppose per below. EF5 20:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Seems pretty minor, hard to find coverage outside the US media. Nfitz (talk) 20:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong oppose - not important overall. @EF5: we hardly post tornado outbreaks on ITN, and the smallest one I think that got posted was Rolling Fork's outbreak. The most recent was March 31, 2023, and almost every outbreak since then (with the possible exceptions of May 25 and April 26) have been well below the bar of importance for ITN. I'll add conditional weak support if the record-breaking claim of the Port Arthur tornado's duration is confirmed, but I highly doubt that. Departure– (talk) 20:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Not significant, at least not yet. Very minor. Setarip (talk) 20:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The oddness here is how late in the year this came, likely a result of global warming, but even with that, the relatively small death toll makes this a minor outbreak in the larger scheme of things. --Masem (t) 21:00, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Late-season outbreaks have always happened. We posted the last big December outbreak (the one in Kentucky, USA) on merit as an outbreak, not based on climate change. I couldn't tell you why actual climate-change related blurbs (such as the yearly "hottest day in history" blurbs) never get posted. Departure– (talk) 21:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Because as long as there's little progress to stall climate change by major nations, these records are always going to get broken year after year. And the 2021 outbreak was likely posted due to the high death toll (70+). — Masem (t) 22:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Late-season outbreaks have always happened. We posted the last big December outbreak (the one in Kentucky, USA) on merit as an outbreak, not based on climate change. I couldn't tell you why actual climate-change related blurbs (such as the yearly "hottest day in history" blurbs) never get posted. Departure– (talk) 21:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose Tragic, but it’s a typical tornado outbreak. Two deaths is very small compared to very notable tornado outbreaks like the 2011 Super Outbreak. INeedSupport 🎄 21:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
2024 Georgian constitutional crisis
[edit]Blurb: 2024 Georgian constitutional crisis continues with Mikheil Kavelashvili inaugurated and Salome Zourabichvili claiming to remain President. (Post)
Alternative blurb: 2024 Georgian constitutional crisis continues with Mikheil Kavelashvili inaugurated while Salome Zourabichvili says she remains President.
Alternative blurb II: Amidst opposition protests, Mikheil Kavelashvili inaugurated President of Georgia.
Alternative blurb III: A governmental crisis occurs in Georgia, as Mikheil Kavelashvili is inaugurated as president while incumbent Salome Zourabichvili intends to remain in office.
News source(s): Al Jazeera; The Guardian; Associated Press; BBC
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Boud (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: The 2024 Georgian post-election protests that have accompanied this crisis have been ongoing daily for two months with the biggest participation estimated at around 100,000 people - several percent of the total Georgian population. Boud (talk) 11:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The expression "claiming that" is a bit WP:WEASELly;
and Salome Zourabichvili stating that she retains her legitimacy as President
would be more neutral, avoiding the connotation that Wikipedia is sceptical about her POV. I've added altblurb which seems less weaselly to me. Boud (talk) 11:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC) - Ongoing? The nomination is not clear whether it's proposing this as an ongoing entry. Many other places have ongoing political tensions and rivalries so I reckon we need some big incident or civil war for this to stand out. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- The event itself - the overall crisis - is ongoing, but the Western mainstream media news coverage is not intense enough to justify ongoing in the ITN sense. This is not a proposal for ITN "Ongoing". In terms of the wording, it would be inaccurate to suggest that today's inauguration was a sudden crisis - it's a key symbolic event within the overall crisis - so "continuing" in the blurb is accurate. Boud (talk) 12:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Definitely has more encyclopedic value than the electoral college vote a few weeks earlier. Depending on how the world reacts, it could be a repeat of the 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis. Scaramouche33 (talk) 13:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose There is a similar Ongoing constitutional crisis in Somalia, WP:ITNUPDATE. QalasQalas (talk) 16:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Response Somalia has been in a civil war for decades now, it has gotten its place in the spotlight but has faded away with time. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 19:15, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
strongweak support altblurb2 came here to nominate it, glad to see I was beaten to it. The inauguration is perhaps more important than the non-popular election itself with the repercussions per Scaramouche33 (day-before form PM and GD leader was sanctioned with many other by the state department). What the now former president claims is not relevant encyclopaedically/ITN. It is for the sub-article/s though.She'll likely be arrested before the new year if not tonight. It's 21:15 atm.Doesn't seem like much more than western msm blather quoting a french woman, she has left the presidential palace, despite claiming there is a train there and who will move her.Sportsnut24 (talk) 17:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)- Support Definitely something to take note of. Additionally, I suspect Russia might invade Georgia again, to prop up the Dream Party. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 19:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb 3 per above. Added altblurb 3. Departure– (talk) 21:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- oppose altblurb3 she has left the presidential palace. She cannot conduct an enforeceable actions such as signing bills.Sportsnut24 (talk) 21:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support No one knows who the president of georgia is now, but it is an inauguration Setarip (talk) 21:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- everybody knows who the new prez is after being sworn in with his predecessor leaving the presidential palace.Sportsnut24 (talk) 21:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Leaving Orbeliani Palace has some but not much significance; it's not the presidential palace, it's a presidential palace; Zourabichvili was the first president to reside there: "Salome Zurabishvili to relocate Presidential Residence from Avlabari to Orbeliani Palace", 29 Nov 2018. Boud (talk) 01:41, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- everybody knows who the new prez is after being sworn in with his predecessor leaving the presidential palace.Sportsnut24 (talk) 21:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Important enough in the context of cold war between East and West. Georgia is one of the battlegrounds. Tradediatalk 02:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support Article is a bit short for a leadership dispute of this magnitude, but it's good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Per TDKR. ArionStar (talk) 13:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Jeju Air Flight 2216
[edit]Blurb: A Jeju Air Boeing 737-800 crashes at Muan International Airport, South Korea, after hitting a fence while attempting to land with 47 casualties reported out of 181 passengers on board. (Post)
Alternative blurb: At least 47 people are killed when a Jeju Air plane carrying 181 passengers crashed at Muan International Airport in South Korea.
Alternative blurb II: Jeju Air Flight 2216 crashes at Muan International Airport, South Korea, killing at least 47.
News source(s): (Bloomberg)
Credits:
- Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)
- Created by Dora the Axe-plorer (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: I think it needs a bit of work.
- Support Absolutely horrific footage, definitely worthy of the front page. --MaximumMangoCloset (talk) 02:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support holiday season is deadly this year. ArionStar (talk) 02:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Terrible year for Korea PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Absolutely three deadly crashes within a month. QalasQalas (talk) 02:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support A no brainer, major plane crash with dozens of fatalities. JDiala (talk) 02:18, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Alt Blurb III Article probably needs its quality improved, but absolutely a notable event. RandomInfinity17 (talk - contributions) 02:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Alt Blurb II in line with the Flight 8243. Also, the death toll has reportly risen to 47. Unnamelessness (talk) 02:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Considering that if the death count ends up being over 132 it will have been the deadliest crash since 2020, this is quite a major incident and it deserves to be here. (offtopic but why was both the start and end of this year so bad for aviation?) interstatefive 02:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support could become the deadliest crash this year with 178 possible fatalities and its already the second deadliest. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 9:49 PM, 28 December 2024 (EST)
- Strong Support Dozens of fatalities have been found. Major news coverage. Article is a bit short but that is because there is no conclusive info yet, as the incident happened three hours ago. Wildfireupdateman (talk) 9:49 PM, 28 December 2024 (EST)
- Support seems to have extensive coverage from South Korean News sources, some western sources are also picking up on the accident. Yosh56 (talk) 10:02 PM. 28 December 2024 (EST)
- Strong support altblurb 2. For a new disaster article less than half an hour old it's of fantastic quality. This might be less geopolitically important than the crash in Kazakhstan but the human toll is telling. Departure– (talk) 03:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Altburlb II Fatality numbers can be updated via WP:ERRORS#Errors with "In the news". – robertsky (talk) 03:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
December 28
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December 28, 2024
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RD: Shigeko Sasamori
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Survivor of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and an advocate for peace and nuclear disarmament. Died on December 15. Death reported on December 28. TJMSmith (talk) 02:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Kari Dziedzic
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ‘’Minnesota Public Radio’’
Credits:
- Nominated by Malvoliox (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Sitting Minnesota state senator and former majority leader, hoping to expand the article a little/add electoral history and more details about political work, but also want to make sure we can clean up any issues with citations etc. that I didn’t catch. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 14:50, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Malvoliox, the better source needed tag should ideally be resolved. Otherwise, support. charlotte 👸🎄 01:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Replaced the bad source with a reliable recent one that details the case. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 15:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Charles Dolan
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:9DCE:E014:DC2:B389 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American billionaire businessman, founder of Cablevision and HBO. 240F:7A:6253:1:9DCE:E014:DC2:B389 (talk) 07:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support, article is well-cited and I don't see any quality issues. Unknown-Tree🌲? (talk) 22:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support, article is long enough and well-sourced, with no apparent issues. Could use some spot verification. Mooonswimmer 01:00, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted charlotte 👸🎄 01:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
December 27
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December 27, 2024
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RD: Ruth Butler
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American art historian and academic. Died November 28. Death reported on December 27. TJMSmith (talk) 03:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Charles Shyer
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by 31.44.227.152 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Rusted AutoParts (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American film director, screenwriter, and producer. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 22:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
RD: Charlie Maxwell
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit Free Press
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by cbl62 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American baseball outfielder (1947-1964), an All-Star in 1956 and 1957, known as "Sunday Charlie" and "The Sabbath Slugger" for his propensity to hit home runs on Sundays Cbl62 (talk) 23:48, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support well referenced and comprehensive. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:08, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
RD: Olivia Hussey
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:C85F:CD98:861D:B7DF (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British-Argentine actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:C85F:CD98:861D:B7DF (talk) 03:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Weak support, found two uncited claims, which I've added CN tags to. Article is fine otherwise.Support: CN issues now resolved. No more outstanding article issues from what I can see. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 11:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)- Support Article in good shape, cn issues appear to have been solved. Yakikaki (talk) 18:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. --IDB.S (talk) 00:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Filmography sourcing needs improvement.—Bagumba (talk) 15:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Filmography needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Greg Gumbel
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit) and CAWylie (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American sportscaster who called N.F.L. and N.C.A.A. games for CBS. Thriley (talk) 02:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support First African-American sportscaster to call the Super Bowl. SigKauffman54 (talk) 16:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's not relevant here, only article quality is. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Oppose for now due to justified orange tag for lack of citations. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)- Fixed up, support. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:48, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Not Quite Ready A handful of CN tags and there is currently no mention of his death in the body.-Ad Orientem (talk) 16:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem: & @Muboshgu: Article has been fixed up to shape. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is now in good shape. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted charlotte 👸🎄 01:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Kamal Adwan hospital burning
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Israeli troops attack the Kamal Adwan hospital, the last one remaining in the northern Gaza Strip, forcing its staff and patients to leave (Post)
News source(s): Al-Jazeera, Associated Press
Credits:
- Nominated by Vice regent (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose basically covered by ongoing; I don't see how this one specific event is that significant to bring out of that. Just more to add onto the pile of war crime charges that international courts have against Israel here. --Masem (t) 20:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. The Kip (contribs) 22:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Covered by ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Already covered by ongoing, and is just one of many war crimes already done by Israel. By far the biggest one done. Setarip (talk) 13:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sad but not a major event of the war. ArionStar (talk) 19:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Impeachment of Han Duck-soo
[edit]Blurb: The Acting President of South Korea and Prime minister, Han Duck-soo (pictured) is impeached by the National Assembly. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Acting President of South Korea and Prime minister, Han Duck-soo (pictured) is impeached by the National Assembly and is succeeded by Choi Sang-mok.
News source(s): BBC News, Reuters, South Korea National Assembly E-law Library KWNews (in Korean)
Credits:
- Nominated by Haers6120 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Queen of Hearts (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Impeachement of Acting President of South Korea is unprecedented, and deputy prime minister will be both acting President and acting Prime Minister will also unprecedented. I also feel that we may need an ongoing article title like "2024-2025 South Korea Political Crisis" Haers6120 (talk) 06:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- UPDATE: Han seems accept National Assembly's decision [8]. Haers6120 (talk) 08:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support charlotte 👸🎄 08:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality the direct cause 2024 South Korean martial law crisis and the subsequent protests are buried deep in the article rather than in the lede and the article goes at length about procedural matters which is great but it's missing all the other context. Furthermore the martial law and protest articles should really be in the blurb. An event infobox would be nice too. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:06, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- we could nominate a seperate ongoing article if needed. Haers6120 (talk) 08:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree that your concerns are enough to oppose on quality, but I will try to work on this. Already added an infobox. charlotte 👸🎄 08:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support --Takipoint123 (talk) 08:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose SK's government seems to be gridlocked and this impeachment just seems to be a procedural tactic which passed easily because only a simple majority was required as this was considered a ministerial-level matter. It reminds me of the difficulty in getting a stable Speaker of the US House. It's internal politics and there's more to come before they are out of the woods. Other countries such as France and Germany have similar issues and so we should have a fairly high bar for posting. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support significant news from the crisis Setarip (talk) 11:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Change of head of state and effective executive of the nation. And isn't this ITNR? Gotitbro (talk) 11:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it's ITNR, because Han was explicitly only the acting president, and is in his turn only suspended and not deposed. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well the nom is listed as such and I don't think our ITNR rules for heads of state/government (state leaders) have ever been that granular to exclude such changes [of acting versus normally elected/appointed].
- Also, I think we need to appreciate the difference between those countries where single state leaders hold effective power (South Korea) versus where where power distribution maybe more shared (France, Germany that have been cited here). Gotitbro (talk) 15:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it's ITNR, because Han was explicitly only the acting president, and is in his turn only suspended and not deposed. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose - Clearly the first impeachment following the attempt to declare martial law was major. Following that impeachment and resignation, the role of acting president fell to the PM, which was not meant to be a long-term determination. This impeaching is a result of more political infighting, and nothing specifically that Duck-soo did, and far less impactful than the original impeachment. Its basically a game of partisan musical chairs, since now the finance minister becomes next in line as acting president. --Masem (t) 13:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb Notable event. Han is the first acting president is the country's history to be impeached. This is a significant update from the fallout of the martial law crisis. Also, the altblurb is best as it illustrates the change in power so to speak. Article is in good shape too. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose - While this is significant, it's part of the continuing crisis. As Andrew notes correctly, France and Germany are also both experiencing unstable government at the moment, and we're not posting blow-by-blow accounts of those to ITN, but only the substantive changes at the top. South Korea's situation, while a bit more volatile, is broadly similar. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- France and Germany are bad analogies in this case, not least because South Korea's case already involves an attempted self-coup and two impeachments. Though I ultimately agree that a third blurb about largely the same crisis might be too much, there may be merit in instead adding this to Ongoing (if it can be maintained). Yo.dazo (talk) 16:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Another successful impeachment? Really? Unprecedented event in the South Korea's history. ArionStar (talk) 16:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is another major and unprecedented development in a situation that has already proven itself to be blurb-worthy on at least 2 occasions Rahcmander (talk) 16:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support For this is unprecedented situation and technically change of head of state. Would oppose another impeachment (which is probable in less than a week) as per Andrew. Didgogns (talk) 18:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. The Kip (contribs) 18:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Nobody saw this coming This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk)
- Comment This is an extension of the initial coup. The root cause for both, is that for some reason I can't fathom, having a solid majority in the Parliament, doesn't give you any control of the government. Similar to the issues in the USA, but without the ability of the Parliament to pass legislation, or change the speaker. For some reason the party controlling the presidency and PM believe that letting the other party into power is some existential crisis - hence the extremes they'll go to (first illegally, and now legally). This will continue until a presidential election is triggered. I have no doubt the new acting President will be impeached quickly if he doesn't approve the nominations to the constitutional court. Perhaps South Korean Constitutional Crisis or something should be an ongoing? Nfitz (talk) 03:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Is there news coverage of the events of this happening near daily? Not really. Just because two events have happened within a month apart doesn't make it an ongoing story, and the ongoing line is far too busy as it is right now to add anything else, particularly something that isn't having near-daily stories. Masem (t) 04:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I've seen news reports several times a week since the coup, between the coup, and three impeachment votes. Nfitz (talk) 20:45, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Is there news coverage of the events of this happening near daily? Not really. Just because two events have happened within a month apart doesn't make it an ongoing story, and the ongoing line is far too busy as it is right now to add anything else, particularly something that isn't having near-daily stories. Masem (t) 04:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Support: This is just a greater part of the coup attempt by Yoon, but something I didn't see coming. TansoShoshen (talk) 10:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: I see consensus to post here. (I am of course far too involved to do it myself.) charlotte 👸🎄 20:35, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that there's consensus. May I suggest that we wait half a day or so? I've just posted the Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira Bridge collapse and it sits in the bottom slot. If we were to post this item now, it'll nuke the bridge article after only a few minutes. Schwede66 20:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Fine with me. charlotte 👸🎄 20:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Ah I didn't see this conversation before posting the Jeju crash up. The bridge collapse wasn't removed as today's Featured Article slot is just a tad longer. I am uncertain if we want to post up Han's image as it will be adjacent to the plane crash blurb. – robertsky (talk) 04:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that there's consensus. May I suggest that we wait half a day or so? I've just posted the Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira Bridge collapse and it sits in the bottom slot. If we were to post this item now, it'll nuke the bridge article after only a few minutes. Schwede66 20:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted, lost the probe and kept the bridge collapse for a bit longer. Stephen 04:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
December 26
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(Reviewers needed) RD: Richard Parsons (businessman)
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LA Times
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:C8D7:448A:7EA0:D6EA (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American business executive and former CEO of Time Warner. 240F:7A:6253:1:C8D7:448A:7EA0:D6EA (talk) 06:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
RD: John B. Cobb
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Claremont School of Theology
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit) and Mrlojo (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: American theologian, philosopher and environmentalist. Death announced 27 December. Thriley (talk) 01:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Well. --ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 09:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Quite a few paragraphs that don’t end with a reference. Stephen 09:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb: Manmohan Singh
[edit]Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Former Prime Minister of India Manmohan Singh (pictured) dies at the age of 92 (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, The Times of India
Credits:
- Nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit) and Fylindfotberserk (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Potential blurb, but he's not sitting, so at least RD. Sportsnut24 (talk) 16:40, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb He was one of the most influential individual of the modern Indian history and was the prime minister of India for a decade. The Degrees and posts held section needs some work but otherwise article is in good shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:19, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Important and influential figure in modern India - he served 2 terms as PM and he was an important figure in liberating India's economy The AP (talk) 17:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Weak oppose on quality Article has some cn tags and there's a refimprove section tag at the end of the article. Once these issues are addressed, I wouldstrongly support blurb seeing how Singh was a highly influential prime minister of India and a dominant figure in modern Indian politics. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:25, 26 December 2024 (UTC)- General Support blurb as this is basically there in quality (I see a few noncritical tags but sourcing is basically there) and with the Public Image section, clearly outlines his status as a major figure on Indian politics. Masem (t) 17:26, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb One of few individuals who significantly shaped world history. As Finance Minister, brought accelerated economic growth to India that continues to this day and has helped raise standard of living for over a billion people and transformed global geopolitics. As Prime Minister, reduced rural poverty, brought India into global nuclear order, averted war in the aftermath of major terrorist attacks, and many other accomplishments. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 17:38, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb once outstanding CN tags are fixed. UndercoverClassicist T·C 17:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Issues fixed @UndercoverClassicist: TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:46, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Long-serving, influential leader of a major nation. The Kip (contribs) 18:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Unanimous support for blurb. Grimes2 (talk) 19:01, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb as per others above. -Abhishikt (talk) 19:03, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted blurb. charlotte 👸🎄 19:18, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
December 25
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(Reviewers needed) RD: Jax Dane
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wrestling Observer - Figure Four Online, Fightful, NWA
Credits:
- Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American professional wrestler. Still needs a few citations, but honestly in pretty good shape compared to most wrestlers' articles. The Kip (contribs) 18:51, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Osamu Suzuki (businessman)
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://apnews.com/article/japan-suzuki-motor-india-495bf88bbc55c2e96faa447a5b5806f0
Credits:
- Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Japanese businessman, chairman of Suzuki Motor Corporation. --14:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is in good shape, significant death. Setarip (talk) 17:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article in good shape indeed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 13:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
(Reviewers needed) RD: Paul Abine Ayah
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Actu Cameroun
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Jmanlucas (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Dominus Moravian (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Cameroonian lawyer and politician. Jmanlucas (talk) 02:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Although info for the first half of his career is relatively limited, adequate depth regarding his political career. SpencerT•C 08:52, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
2024 Estlink 2 incident
[edit]Blurb: The submarine power cable Estlink 2 is damaged by an oil tanker suspected of belonging to Russia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Finnish police take over oil tanker Eagle S, suspected of damaging submarine power cable Estlink 2.
News source(s): https://yle.fi/a/74-20133526
Credits:
- Nominated by NotAGenious (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: I'll try to combine https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Eagle_S_on_the_map_of_MarineTraffic,_in_relation_to_the_Estlink_2_incident.png with the cropped version of the Estlink map if I get a chance to do so. A significant event mentioned in multiple international news sources. NotAGenious (talk) 14:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as it's yet clear the exact cause, whether intentional sabotage or something else. Just having massive reporting doesn't necessarily make it an appropriate WP topic since WP is not a newspaper. Masem (t) 16:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree that finding an exact cause should be a requirement for appearing on the main page: the article, which has speculation from reliable sources, is useful by itself. NotAGenious (talk) 18:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose since it's not the first cable damaged in the area this past month and I doubt the impact will be anywhere near the Nord Stream sabotage in 2022. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 17:46, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:SPECULATION. Sorry, but we don’t post speculations.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- it's confirmed that an outside force destroyed the cable, just the cause is under investigation NotAGenious (talk) 22:13, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support there's nothing speculative about an international sabotage incident that is an act of economic terrorism, and given the type of incident it is we may never know the full true story (just like in falsified elections for example), that shouldn't barr a posting though; WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't a compelling argument either. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:20, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- The blurb speculates that the incident was caused by a Russian oil tanker (this isn't even mentioned in the article). Furthermore, the article is in bad shape to demonstrate why this incident is significant.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- the article does mention it. NotAGenious (talk) 11:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Now that it's improved, yes, but it didn't when I wrote the comment.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- No, it was.
the tanker Eagle S, registered to the Cook Islands and part of Russia's shadow fleet...
NotAGenious (talk) 14:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)The police confirmed that the tanker is suspected of having caused the failure
- No, it was.
- Now that it's improved, yes, but it didn't when I wrote the comment.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- the article does mention it. NotAGenious (talk) 11:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The blurb speculates that the incident was caused by a Russian oil tanker (this isn't even mentioned in the article). Furthermore, the article is in bad shape to demonstrate why this incident is significant.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support, although the blurb needs to be updated. A bigger story here is that Finland has seized a Russian tanker suspected of being involved in cutting the cable.[9] Nsk92 (talk) 23:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support even on the off-chance it was accidental, still a series incident. –DMartin 01:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- I've added an alternative blurb and #Reactions. NotAGenious (talk) 10:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Notified WT:FINLAND and WT:ESTONIA for further input here. NotAGenious (talk) 18:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support ArionStar (talk) 02:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Per above, do not add votes without giving your reason. Stephen 07:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's a major incident with huge coverage and international reactions. ArionStar (talk) 19:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Per above, do not add votes without giving your reason. Stephen 07:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Unusual international incident that our well-sourced article is being updated on. No tags, though the redlinks are arguably distracting. NATO response is highly notable. Given increasing tensions in the Baltic and the continuing news coverage, this altblurb is a good fit for ITN. Jusdafax (talk) 16:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support - There was a covering of the Baltic Sea Disruptions in current events a few weeks ago. This is also notable due to rising geopolitical tensions. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 19:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Important enough in the context of the present cold war between East and West. Tradediatalk 02:11, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Is this stale? The earliest item on ITN is from December 26. Natg 19 (talk) 07:28, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- If we're going with the alternative blurb, it's actually the 26th. If we want a blurb telling about the transfer to Porvoo for investigation, it was yesterday, the 29th. NotAGenious (talk) 12:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Bill Bergey
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American football player Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:50, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support, I spotted two CN notes and I feel certain sections could use more references. Article is fine otherwise. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 15:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Zero {cn} tags remaining. --PFHLai (talk) 18:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – robertsky (talk) 02:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: M. T. Vasudevan Nair
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express BBCThe Indian Express Independent Gulf news Khaleej times
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by ExclusiveEditor (talk · give credit), Laterthanyouthink (talk · give credit) and Pachu Kannan (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Renowned Malayalam writer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:30, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Added sources. Pachu Kannan (talk) 19:17, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Obviously a major figure in literature and film. Did a bit of copyediting. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Suppport Significant RD, He was an Indian author, screenplay writer and film director Spworld2 (talk) 9:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready Certain sections rely entirely on a single source. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 16:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Where? The citing looks fine to me - there are plenty.
- This is already several days old and risks losing currency if not posted soon. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Asuravithu, Manju and Kaalam are the major offenders, reusing existing citations inline should be enough to fix. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Also oppose blurb since the blurb A) does not mention the subject B) contains WP:Puffery wording. C) subject is not as well known to the average person as a world leader.Comment withdrawn per below. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- This is an RD candidate and does not need a blurb, someone added one in error. I have removed it. Black Kite (talk) 14:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The whole of the Varanasi paragraph was copied verbatim from the source and so I have also removed that; this paragraph is therefore now very short. Black Kite (talk) 14:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The Bibliography section lacks citations (or ISBNs).—Bagumba (talk) 14:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Done Now @Bagumba and 31.44.227.152: you can switch your votes because ISBNs and sources or both have been added to all. --ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 16:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Support: The man has wrote many books of multiple types, many of which are now sources of movies. --ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 16:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – robertsky (talk) 02:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 (aircraft pictured) crashes near Aktau, Kazakhstan with 67 people on board. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 (aircraft pictured) crashes near Aktau, Kazakhstan, killing 39 people.
News source(s): BBC The Guardian Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
- Support: Recent plane crash with a high number of fatalities is definitely notable and certainly deserves attention. (Although, it would be slightly better if the fatality number is confirmed). However, I Oppose the blurb. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 09:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support original blurb until the number of deaths is clarified. A crash of a flag carrier. Brandmeistertalk 09:25, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, there's no actual confirmation yet on the number of dead right? Only the number of survivors. Yo.dazo (talk) 09:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support - an airliner crashes with significant loss of life. Event is in the news, so eligible here. Mjroots (talk) 09:50, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support 39 deaths MAL MALDIVE (talk) 11:42, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support (by the way, end-of-year season is sadly known due to the increase of transport accidents) ArionStar (talk) 11:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major aviation and international news. Harizotoh9 (talk) 12:55, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Surprised this isn't already up. A significant crash. ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 13:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support – This article are notable and the plane crash have several deaths. Rest in peace to the people who died in the plane crash. Bakhos | Let's talk! 13:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Recent and significant plane crash that has received extensive media coverage. --Sura Shukurlu (talk) 14:37, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support: but WAIT
- Support alt blurb which includes the death toll. Johndavies837 (talk) 17:06, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Video from inside the plane. Count Iblis (talk) 17:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- I feel some blurb that indicates the was a very haphazard emergency landing rather than what is normally envisioned when we say a crash, as to indicate this was not as deadly as it was, would be helpful. Masem (t) 17:39, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think 'emergency landing' should be added. The plane crashed nearly 6 kilometers from the runway. So even though it was preparing for an emergency landing, that's not really the reason why it came down at that location. Maybe it could say "near Aqtau International Airport" instead of "near Aktau". Johndavies837 (talk) 18:03, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 18:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment – Given the latest developments, the blurb should be changed to reflect that the plane was specifically shot down. Sandvich18 (talk) 19:02, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's always good to make a specific suggestion, Sandvich18. What would you like the ALT blurb to say? Schwede66 22:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Change blurb to Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 is shot down near Aktau, Kazakhstan, killing 38 people. or, if there's no consensus yet on the cause, 38 people die in the Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 crash near Aktau, Kazakhstan, amid Azerbaijani claims of Russian involvement in the downing of the plane. Sandvich18 (talk) 00:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- When did Wikipedia start spreading speculative information? That the aircraft was shot down or that there's Russian involvement in the incident are both hypotheses without sufficient evidence.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:08, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair everything involving Russia is always "speculative", it's how Russia operates. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's not Wikipedia's business. We should always stick to facts, not speculations.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not only Azerbaijani say that [10][11][12][13][14][15] BilboBeggins (talk) 21:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- All those sources report that there are indications that the aircraft was shot down by Russia’s defensive system, but that’s still in the zone of speculations with no official statements made by any involved party.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 01:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair everything involving Russia is always "speculative", it's how Russia operates. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- When did Wikipedia start spreading speculative information? That the aircraft was shot down or that there's Russian involvement in the incident are both hypotheses without sufficient evidence.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:08, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Change blurb to Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 is shot down near Aktau, Kazakhstan, killing 38 people. or, if there's no consensus yet on the cause, 38 people die in the Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 crash near Aktau, Kazakhstan, amid Azerbaijani claims of Russian involvement in the downing of the plane. Sandvich18 (talk) 00:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support adding that plane was shot down. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's always good to make a specific suggestion, Sandvich18. What would you like the ALT blurb to say? Schwede66 22:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support saying shot down. The article indicates that the Azerbaijani government believes the aircraft was shot down, and RS are increasingly saying so. (see the article) 331dot (talk) 18:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it's obvious. But the blurb has to follow the article, where things are still less decided. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The article says in the lead "Azerbaijani investigators believed a Russian Pantsir-S1 air-defense system was responsible for the damage" and the article itself states investigators independent of the nations involved have come to that conclusion as well. Seems to me that's as good as we could get. If we don't want to say "shot down" we could at least add "hit by a missile and crashes". 331dot (talk) 09:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it's obvious. But the blurb has to follow the article, where things are still less decided. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Putin reportedly had a phone call with Aliyev and applogised for shooting down the aircraft, so I support amending the blurb to reflect this.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- My reading of the reporting on that subject is that Putin apologized for the aircraft being shot down, but not conceding shooting it down, i.e., a mistakes were made kind of statement. BD2412 T 19:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- The point is that now we have some sort of a confirmation that it was shot down.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- My reading of the reporting on that subject is that Putin apologized for the aircraft being shot down, but not conceding shooting it down, i.e., a mistakes were made kind of statement. BD2412 T 19:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Change to Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 is allegedly shot down near Aktau, Kazakhstan, killing 38 people. It's under investigation. ArionStar (talk) 03:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note Updated blurb from "crashes" to "is shot down" per discussion above. – robertsky (talk) 09:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note The article infobox does not yet consistently describe the include as a shootdown. Currently we have just "under investigation" again. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- "Alleged". ArionStar (talk) 16:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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